Icecast & Demo?

[gmax21]

I wasn't sure what forum to post this in, so apologies if it's in the wrong place.

I've seen a couple of posts regarding Icecast but nothing firm, will you be support Ice?

One of the features I love about icecast is mount point/fallback. You can have one mountpoint that listeners to connect to, you can then have DJ fallbacks and set their order which one takes priority.

1 Fallback could just have music ready to play when your DJ goes off air, whilst another one allows your DJ to come on-line without going straight to the main source. If you had to cut them off just use a point just connect in to the one with higher permissions.

I'm rubbish at explaining perhaps this post does more justice:

http://icecast.imux.net/viewtopic.php?t=4933&highlight=multiple

I have a basic goal I would like to accomplish with my icecast server. I would like a 24 hour stream going that will either be LIVE DJs (external source) or random track played from the server (local 24 hour stream). I'd also like this switching between LIVE and playlist be seamless to the listener. As I'm sure everyone else on here wants to accomplish the same thing I'd like your opinions on how to do this.

My approach:
mount A = 24 hour constant stream
mount B = DJ (external source)

Mount B has a fallback to A. So, this means that when a DJ cuts his/her stream off listeners will automatically be bounced to mount A with no interruption. So an external source cutting off situation seems to be easy enough but what about this ...
Mount A is a 24 hour source that will never be cut off so how can I get icecast to automatically switch over to the LIVE mount when an external source connects? I was thinking the script that is called for stream_auth could kill the 24 hour source connection which will then enable the fallback for the 24 hour mount. But then the mounts can't be unique for the DJs. To solve that issue maybe another icecast server is needed. This other icecast server will be a relay for DJs to connect to and then passed onto the mater icecast server which listeners will connect to.

if fallback override on mount B is enabled then any listeners on the fallback mount A will be moved when A starts up.

And the other question, when will your demo be ready to try on-line. I know I can download a copy for a few days, but if possible I'd rather not mess about in case this solution isn't for me, although from what I see it's everything I've ever for web radio.

[Max]

Hello,
Thank you for your suggestions.

IceCast support will be available in the future version of WHMSonic software, there is no exact time for it now but we will release ices autodj in this summer which is better than sc_trans.

Live demo has been disabled, too many hack attempts on vps server, people does not understand that it is just a vps and nothing there but we tired to keep it up and osreloads even all functions disabled in WHM, there is always a way to in, anyways live demo can be provided upon request, I ask that request to our one of the technical staff and they will contact you shortly by PM or email.

Thank You.

[gmax21]

hmm, I thought I'd replied once.... Perhaps I typed it out got distracted and didn't click submit, lol.

I'll hold fire on trying out the demo for now, although I don't mind ShoutCast, I'd rather wait for IceCast. Once you support IceCast I presume you'll send out a mailer.

I presuming with all the hack attempts this wouldn't be an issue for end client users would it? What I mean is, is it secure enough to sell SC/IC to customers as a hosting package?

I would also suggest you change this page:

http://www.whmsonic.com/live.php

Live demo servers disabled for maintenance.
It will be available within 3 days.

Before I signed up to ask this question, I kept visiting that page for a short while, it was only because a fair while passed that I thought I'd sign up and ask.

Thanks I look forward to seeing the IceCast version. :-)

[Max]

Hello,
Selling SC/IC with WHMSonic is the most secure way as a hosting and this is also number one difference on WHMSonic between others. We don't like to say everything like that but in this case for you, we like people can see that differences with their own eyes without our explanation, this is how we work and our quality.

With WHMSonic:
It is WHM/cPanel plugin and running without SSH access, your users can manage their shoutcast radios in cPanel only. The radio data files does not host under the user public hosting they are secure and all of them under the root permissions.

Another security which makes it stronger:
1.) WHMSonic Root panel is under the whm root which means only you can access to WHM root with your root password. WHMSonic is not hosted under the hosting accounts. Hack attempts immposible.
2.) WHMSonic cPanel for users under the cpanel which means only cpanel account owner can access to their WHMSonic panel with their cpanel password. Hack attempts immposible.
3.) WHMSonic is running with WHM/cPanel system, there isn't any public functions or managements for WHMSonic. That means if someone need to try hack attempts they will need your root password before reaching the WHMSonic so there is no point if someone have your root password ;)

Without WHMSonic:
You can setup manual shoutcast and you will need to provide SSH access to your customer which will make your server security down %50, user will need ssh access to manage their shoutcast this is another security problem. Other shoutcast softwares may hosted under the public hosting accounts and their requirements such as su php or apache modules can be also caused security problems, there are so many like that.

Website live demo page:
Webmaster has been updated main page on the whmsonic.com and he is going to update other pages for live demo button.

We will release ICECast support as fast we can and inform all forum users.

Thank You.

[levelup]

is really useful for me, I am glad to read it here.

[Mark]

I have so many customers asking about icecast.

Could it possibly be comming soon? Any release date or demo of icecast support?

[Max]

Hello Mark,
Icecast will be available in 2009. We dont have exact release date for it. It is current in our to do list.

There are some new features on the way coming soon such as AutoDJ v2 and DJPanel.